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Thiollier's Hidden Needle

With its requirements met (Str 10 · Dex 22 · Int 15), Thiollier's Hidden Needle reaches 365 attack rating at +10.

Pickup · Enir-Ilim

Attack rating (+10): 365
Scaling (+10): Str D · Dex B · Int C
Class: Fist
Weight: 0.5
Requires: Str 10 · Dex 22 · Int 15
Skill: Sleep Evermore · FP 16
Passive: Causes eternal sleep buildup (42)
Upgrades with: Somber Smithing Stones (+10)

Thiollier's Hidden Needle, rendered from the game's 3D model — Rendered from the game's model

Attack rating by affinity 1

At Str 10 · Dex 22 · Int 15 · Fai 10 · Arc 10 (each stat at the weapon's requirement, 10 where it has none), one-handed.

Affinity	+0	Max	Damage at max	Scaling at max
Standard	133	365 +10	Physical 240Magic 125	Str DDex BInt CFai –Arc –

Try your own stats, two-handing and any upgrade in the AR calculator.

Attack rating by stat (Standard, +10)

Dexterity
Intelligence
Strength

Each line raises one stat from the requirement to 99 with the others held at the requirement; dashed lines are Dexterity's soft caps.

Show the numbers

Stat level	Dexterity	Intelligence	Strength
10	–	–	365
13	–	–	367
15	–	365	–
16	–	–	369
18	–	370	–
19	–	–	372
21	–	373	–
22	365	–	374
24	–	376	–
25	373	–	376
27	–	380	–
28	382	–	377
30	–	383	–
31	390	–	379
33	–	386	–
34	398	–	381
36	–	389	–
37	406	–	383
39	–	392	–
40	414	–	385
42	–	395	–
43	422	–	386
45	–	398	–
46	429	–	388
48	–	400	–
49	436	–	390
51	–	403	–
52	442	–	391
54	–	405	–
55	448	–	392
57	–	408	–
58	454	–	394
60	–	409	–
61	458	–	394
63	–	411	–
64	463	–	396
66	–	413	–
67	467	–	397
69	–	415	–
70	472	–	398
72	–	416	–
73	477	–	399
75	–	418	–
76	481	–	400
78	–	420	–
79	486	–	401
81	–	421	–
82	489	–	401
84	–	422	–
85	490	–	402
87	–	423	–
88	492	–	402
90	–	423	–
91	494	–	403
93	–	424	–
94	496	–	403
96	–	425	–
97	498	–	403
99	499	426	404

Stat	Soft caps	AR per point, by stretch	At 99
Dexterity	60, 80	22–60: +2.42 · 60–80: +1.55 · 80–99: +0.58	499 from 365
Intelligence	18, 60, 80	15–18: +1.67 · 18–60: +0.93 · 60–80: +0.6 · 80–99: +0.26	426 from 365
Strength	18, 60, 80	10–18: +0.75 · 18–60: +0.55 · 60–80: +0.35 · 80–99: +0.16	404 from 365

Soft caps are the breakpoints of the scaling curve the game assigns this weapon; past each one a point adds less (or, for some curves, more).

Attack rating by upgrade

At the weapon's requirements (Standard).

Show the numbers

Upgrade level	Attack rating
0	133
1	154
2	176
3	198
4	221
5	244
6	268
7	291
8	315
9	340
10	365

Sleep 42 per hit at every upgrade level (Standard).

#5 of 14 fist weapons by attack rating

Grafted Dragon442 +10
Veteran's Prosthesis398 +10
Clinging Bone389 +10
Cipher Pata368 +10
Thiollier's Hidden Needle365 +10
Golem Fist359 +25
Madding Hand334 +10
Pata300 +25
Star Fist296 +25

Standard affinity at max upgrade, each weapon at its own requirements. A full bar is the class's strongest (Grafted Dragon, 442).

Moveset from the game files

Damage with Standard +10 at the stats above, before the enemy's defense; two-handed moves include two-handing's Strength bonus. MV (motion value) is the hit's share of attack rating (100 = all of it).

One-handed16players can parry them

Move	MV	Damage	Stance	Stamina	1st hit
R1 1Standard	100	366	5	7.5	0.47 s
R1 2Standard	101	369	5	7.5	0.37 s
R1 3Standard	102	373	5	7.5	0.43 s
R1 4Standard	103	377	5	7.5	0.43 s
R1 5Pierce	104	380	5	7.5	0.37 s
R1 6Pierce	110	402	10	7.5	0.63 s
R2Pierce	120	439	10	12.2	—
Charged R2Pierce	150	549	30	18.8	0.97 s
R2 2Pierce	120	439	10	12.2	—
Charged R2 2Pierce	150	549	30	18.8	0.90 s
Running R1Standard	105	384	5	8.5	0.53 s
Running R2Pierce	120	439	10	12.2	0.60 s
Backstep R1Pierce	90	329	5	6.6	0.53 s
Jumping R1Standard	107	391	7.5	6.6	0.37 s
Jumping R2Pierce	122	446	20	12.2	0.47 s
Guard counterPierce	130	476	30	12.2	0.57 s

Two-handed17players can parry them

Move	MV	Damage	Stance	Stamina	1st hit
R1 1Pierce · 2 hits	92 + 92	673	6	13.2	0.37 s
R1 2Standard/Pierce · 2 hits	94 + 94	688	6	13.2	0.40 s
R1 3Standard	96	351	6	6.6	0.50 s
R1 4Pierce · 2 hits	98 + 98	717	6	13.2	0.43 s
R1 5Pierce	100	366	6	6.6	0.37 s
R1 6Standard/Pierce · 2 hits	106 + 106	776	6	13.2	0.53 s
R2Pierce	150	549	7.5	11.3	—
Charged R2Pierce · 2 hits	130 + 130	952	15	33.8	1.03 s
R2 2Pierce	150	549	7.5	11.3	—
Charged R2 2Standard/Pierce · 2 hits	130 + 130	952	15	33.8	1.00 s
Running R1Pierce · 2 hits	100 + 95	714	6	16.9	0.53 s
Running R2Pierce · 2 hits	105 + 110	787	12	22.6	0.57 s
Rolling R1Standard/Pierce · 2 hits	85 + 85	622	6	13.2	0.33 s
Backstep R1Standard · 2 hits	85 + 85	622	6	13.2	0.50 s
Jumping R1Standard · 2 hits	102 + 102	747	9	13.2	0.37 s
Jumping R2Pierce · 2 hits	115 + 115	842	24	22.6	0.47 s
Guard counterStandard · 2 hits	100 + 125	824	33	22.6	0.57 s

Criticals2

Move	MV	Damage	Stance	Stamina	1st hit
BackstabStrike · 2 hits	55 + 242	1,087	0	12.2	0.53 s
RiposteStrike · 2 hits	55 + 330	1,410	0	12.2	0.93 s

Skill: Sleep Evermore1move names inferred

Move	MV	Damage	Stance	Stamina	1st hit
SkillPierce	150	549	15	37.6	0.93 s

From the player's animation events, BehaviorParam_PC and AtkParam_Pc. First hit: seconds at normal speed from the start of the move's animation (uncharged R2s start from a released charge, so they show —). Criticals include the weapon's critical multiplier. * The elemental motion value differs from the physical one shown; the damage uses each.

By upgrade level (Standard)

Level	AR	Physical	Magic	Cost
+0	133	85	48	—
+1	154	99	55	Somber Smithing Stone [1] × 1
+2	176	113	63	Somber Smithing Stone [2] × 1
+3	198	128	70	Somber Smithing Stone [3] × 1
+4	221	143	78	Somber Smithing Stone [4] × 1
+5	244	158	86	Somber Smithing Stone [5] × 1
+6	268	174	94	Somber Smithing Stone [6] × 1
+7	291	190	101	Somber Smithing Stone [7] × 1
+8	315	206	109	Somber Smithing Stone [8] × 1
+9	340	223	117	Somber Smithing Stone [9] × 1
+10	365	240	125	Somber Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone × 1

From +0 to +10: 1 Somber Smithing Stone [1], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [2], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [3], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [4], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [5], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [6], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [7], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [8], 1 Somber Smithing Stone [9], 1 Somber Ancient Dragon Smithing Stone.

Where to find Thiollier's Hidden Needle

Rewards

Event reward · Enir-Ilim

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Overview

Class: Fist
Weight: 0.5
Requires: Str 10 · Dex 22 · Int 15
Affinities: Standard
Game ID: 21500000